Where does the “hate” in fat-hate come from?

What happens when a woman is fat and healthy, can prove (medically and athletically) that she is healthy, and advocates for Health at Every Size so that others can see by her example that health is something they can also achieve? The fat-haters go batshit with rage.

Ragen Chastain, of Dances with Fat is a corporate CEO, choreographer for and a principle dancer in Fat Bottom Cabaret, and a three-time National Champion partner dancer currently seeking her first World Professional title. She is very healthy, and very fit. When asked rude personal questions she posted the results of her medical exam, pictures of her feats of strength, and even videos of her dances. Most people, even when faced with this reality v/s their preconceived notions of “fat”, were either supportive or polite. Then there were the people who spewed venom like this:

You are a stupid bitch.  You are a liar to say that you are fat and healthy, there’s no such thing. Nobody cares how flexible you are (this move isn’t even that hard) or how well you dance because you’re still a fucking fattass.  I bet your ankle shattered 5 seconds after this was taken.  If I see you in the street I will slap you across your triple chins you dumb fat bitch.

Wow. that is some nasty hate right there. Why such animosity? Why would the poster want to “slap” her, simply because of her weight? Ms. Chastain speculates that they may just be mad in response to cognitive dissonance; angry because she upsets their perception of what is real. Respectfully, I disagree. I think it is the vehement, albeit subconscious, defense of patriarchal hegemony in action.

This defense of patriarchy can come from the women who are benefitted (or hope to benefit from) subservience to the patriarchy, as well as men who benefit from (or hope to benefit from) the status quo.  But their loathing of Ms. Chastain comes from their fear/rage that she represents a real, tangible challenge to the patriarchal ideal of femininity, which threatens the structure of the patriarchy as a whole.

To be a ‘good’ female in  the Western hegemonic patriarchy you need to be thin. Everyone ignores the fact that thin can be genetically determined.  Thin has been culturally constructed to mean that the person is self-controlled (and thus able to master her various appetites), hard-working, physically-fit, yet simultaneously ‘small’ and passive. Thin women are now ‘ideal’ women, or ‘good’ women. Beauty, in culture, reflects the ideal, so the ideal woman must at least look delicate, since her ‘smallness’ shows she meets all the criteria to be female.  Women who are fat are not part of the patriarchal ideal because they ‘take up space’ without permission, they have clearly been feeding themselves (not exclusively taking care of others), and they are not ‘small’ to contrast with a ‘large’ masculinity. If women are pressured to be thin, they can be stopped from become ‘too big for their britches’ and resisting control.  [If you want to get a bigger picture of the research and philosophy behind these claims, I recommend Susan Bordo’s Unbearable Weight,  Naomi Wolf’s The Beauty Myth, and the edited volume Bodies Out of Bounds, to start with.]

In my opinion, the vitriol the posters showed toward Ms. Chastain came from their hatred of her unspoken resistance. She is not small, yet refuse to admit this makes her a ‘bad’ woman. She is not passive, she is both actively eating and actively living. She is not following the patricidal ideology, and therefore she is ‘bad’ and deserves to be ‘punished’.

Fat-haters are such asshats.

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12 Responses to Where does the “hate” in fat-hate come from?

  1. I’m glad that you are able to function well enough in your anger to publicly confront this hatred. It just makes me feel helpless. And the ones that are covert and sneaky in their hatred make me feel even more helpless. I need to change jobs right now and I can’t even face it because of the ways in which I provoke ‘cognitive dissonance’. I’m subject to fat-hate, religious-hate and political-hate.
    I am responding to the asshats by becoming despondent.

  2. KarenB says:

    I have read, and forgive me for not being able to attribute this, that the beauty ideal of a society is based on rarity. That is why beautiful women from the Renaissance are buxom and lush and pale. Most women were working hard (thin and/or muscular), often out in the fields (tanned), and rarely had a surplus of food. Now that food is not scarce for us, thin is deemed beautiful and ideal. So, while I’m not arguing against your argument that larger women are taking up more space and challenging the patriarchal hegemony, I’m not sure that that is what the thin ideal is about. Or at least not all that it is about. Rarity is often deemed beautiful and this seems to me to be a more driving force for the society ideal. I would say that thin=small and delicate so as not to be a challenge is more of a side benefit for the patriarchy.

    Fat hate may be self-hate in some instances; it is also a “safe” hate as it is condoned by society at large. It is a human characteristic to assign “otherness” to a group so as to increase cohesion in the group one belongs to. The otherness of the not-group, in this case fat, then becomes a way to denounce, degrade, or vilify.

    I wish you didn’t live as far away from me as you do as we could have some excellent discussions over a glass of wine, or amaretto and milk. :(

  3. Briana says:

    I also think that responses like that are not confined to something like fat-hate. It seems as if lashing out in anger and violent threats has become a common method of handling any sort of challenge. Any time you read any comments on any news or opinion piece, you can see evidence of this. It’s really depressing.

    • Daria Black says:

      I agree with this. I hardly read political websites or even articles about politics any more because it seems the comment section is filled with people who don’t know how to discuss the issue in a reasonable manner. It’s all lashing out and blaming and vomiting vitriol and anger they can’t express in their offline worlds.

  4. EAB says:

    While it’s true that certain health problems are well correlated with obesity and that obesity due to poor diet and being sedentary is a rampant problem in the US, it’s also true that heavy people (like short ones, women, Muslims, and many others) endure bigotry and an abundance of unfair treatment. I think it’s tragic that we have a “one size fits all” point of view about so many things, like education, development, and body morphology. We all have natural setpoints, and if metrics of health like blood pressure, glucose tolerance, and so on are within healthy ranges, then it should not matter whether you fit somebody else’s preconception of how you “should” look. I say fuck ‘em.

  5. The hatred is, obviously, unjustifiable.

    Re “Health at Any Size,” though, I wonder if it’s at all important to distinguish between “health” and “fitness” and between current health and future health:

    Health has been defined as “a human condition with physical, social and psychological dimensions, each characterized on a continuum with positive and negative poles. Positive health is associated with a capacity to enjoy life and to withstand challenges; it is not merely the absence of disease [...]” (Bouchard & Shephard, 1994, p. 84) (Winnick 402)

    and

    Caspersen, Powell, and Christenson (1985) defined physical fitness as a “set of attributes that people have or achieve that relates to the ability to perform physical activity” (p. 129). [...] Most experts agree that the components of health-related fitness include aerobic functioning, body composition, muscular endurance, muscular strength, and flexibility. (Winnick 402-403)

    It seems to me that many sportspeople are very fit in terms of how much they can exercise, how big their muscles are etc but if their activity is so intense that they end up with

    * hamstring injuries – which in the most serious of cases can result in a torn hamstring (older players are most at risk because the hamstring becomes less flexible over time)
    * torn anterior cruciate ligaments – which can occur when a player suddenly loses balance and twists their knee into an awkward position
    * broken bones – particularly in the feet and legs (NHS)

    or repeated concussions which lead to chronic traumatic encephalopathy, then their fitness may not lead to health in the long term.

    It seems clear that, by most measures, Regan Chastain is fit, probably far fitter than many people who have a lower BMI. That said, there do seem to be some long-term risks associated with fat which can affect health but it can be rather complicated:

    Early studies established that the association between body size and risk of breast cancer varied based on menopausal status — that heavier women were at increased risk of developing postmenopausal, but not premenopausal, breast cancer. In fact, among premenopausal women, there is consistent evidence of a modest reduction in risk among those with a high (>/= 28 kg/m2) BMI. This reduction in risk could be because of the increased tendency for young obese women to have anovulatory menstrual cycles and lower levels of circulating steroid hormones, notably of progesterone and oestradiol.
    Obesity has been consistently shown to increase rates of breast cancer in postmenopausal women by 30-50% (Table 1). Some studies have found central adiposity to be an independent predictor of postmenopausal breast cancer risk beyond the risk attributed to overweight alone, but a recent systematic review has indicated that this is not the case. In addition, adult weight gain has generally been associated with a larger increase in risk of postmenopausal breast cancer than has BMI in studies that examined both factors. Both BMI and weight gain are more strongly related to risk of breast cancer among postmenopausal women who have never used hormone-replacement therapy, compared with women who have used hormones. This finding lends support to the hypothesis that adiposity increases breast cancer risk through its oestrogenic effects. (Calle and Kaaks)

    Calle and Kaaks note, though, that

    Unfortunately, few individuals manage to maintain a significant weight loss after intentional weight reduction, making it extremely difficult to examine cancer outcomes in large populations of weight losers. Consequently, the IARC report concluded that there is inadequate evidence that weight loss reduces the risk of cancer.

    It’s not the most recent paper on cancer and obesity, but it was the one I came across first via Google which was readily available. The most recent report I’ve seen about obesity and cancer is this one, which reported that one recent large study had

    found that weight was the risk factor mostly strongly associated with breast cancer hormones, followed by alcohol and smoking (i.e. there was positive correlation between them – higher weight, alcohol intake and smoking each related to higher hormone levels).

    However, although the researchers’ findings may suggest that hormone levels could potentially be the mechanism through which these lifestyle factors increase breast cancer risk, this cannot be concluded for definite. In particular, the fact that this was a cross-sectional study means it cannot tell us how these risk factors are associated with hormone levels.

    I don’t know know enough about statistics to assess what findings like these mean in terms of an individual’s total risk of getting cancer rather than in terms of increased rate of risk. For example, when I read a report saying that “For every 10 cm increase in height, the relative risk of getting any type of cancer rose by 16%” my instinct is to feel relieved that I’m not particularly tall. That particular report helpfully goes on to point out that “Despite the large increases in relative risk, the absolute differences in cancer risk between women of different height was quite small and are likely to play a far smaller part than family history and genes, and most importantly, lifestyle factors such as smoking, which can be modified,” and it’s at that point that I realise how little grasp I have of what the statistics really mean.

    I wish you had a preview function. I’m sure there will be some typos/problems with hyperlinks in this. Apologies in advance.

  6. I posted a really long comment and it’s vanished. Did it end up in the spam filter?

  7. bookmom says:

    Have you read any of the posts on http://www.fathealth.com ? There are also many links.

  8. Wow that commenting individual was truly nasty and hateful! Someone needs some therapy or to go back through kindergarten and learn some manners. There are all kinds of things I despise (child molestors, cruelty to animals, poverty and starvation due to wildly unequable distribution of weatlh) but the number of chins someone has isn’t on that list.

  9. lunarmom says:

    Here’s why I love you, (well, one reason anyway):

    they have clearly been feeding themselves…
    Julie

  10. Pingback: Again with the fat and the health | The Stay-at-Home Feminist Mom

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